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- From: kristof@flinet.com
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: My test results for USR Sportster 33.6kbps
- Date: 21 Feb 1996 19:07:53 GMT
- Organization: Florida Internet
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- Hi,
-
- Ladies and gentlemen! We have one 'response' to my test results here.
- I believe he considers himself an 'expert' in taking 2 PC's with modems,
- and running primitive file transfers to measure simple throughput.
- Obviously, he is not capable of doing it himself and tries to nitpick.
- Quite frankly, I expected more technical responses. There are
- many factors to consider but this response does not even get
- close to them. But I will respond and it will be the last time
-
- > insystem@pathcom.com (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:
- > In article <4fv36j$lvj@news.flinet.com>, kristof@flinet.com wrote:
- > >I tried to evaluate the performance of the USR Sportster 28.8 V.34
- > >with 33.6kbps upgrade (purchased recently for just under $200).
- > >Just to check how much this new 33.6kbps V.34bis effort is worth in
- > >the reality of US residential analog lines.
- >
- > It's wonderful that you did this, but one of your comments reveals that you're
- > not very familiar with the stuff that you're testing. This doesn't make the
- > test invalid; after all, you don't have to be a mechanic to test drive a car!
- >
-
- I think you failed to notice that this testing is not a brain surgery but
- a simple and reliable throughput evaluation. The comments you're referring to
- had nothing to do with the test. Again, direct your efforts to the subject
- at hand. Your response does not include even one relevant observation
- and you seem to consider yourself an 'expert' in area you
- cannot correlate very well.
-
- > >I used 120MHz and 75Mhz Pentium PC's, each with internal USR.
- > >All transfers were done with the popular QuickLink II communication
- > >program included with USR and many other modems on the market.
- > >The port setting in QuickLink was 115,200-8-N-1, RTS/CTS in both PC's.
- > >The modems init strings was just ATZ4, i.e. the normal hardware profile.
- >
- > Well, QuickLink is only popular because several manufacturers give it away.
- > Nothing wrong with that, I just had to get my 2 cents in...
- >
-
- This is probably the most ignorant observation which is common among
- the uneducated. First, realize one thing again. The test did not require
- any sophistication in a comm program. It was a primitve file transfer
- with a straight ASCII and ZMODEM protocol which is so trivial that
- every student in programming can write easily. No advanced
- brain surgery is required. If you state your objections then you have to back
- them up. Compare with another comm program and state the performance
- differences to show how they would affect the test. If you are not able to
- back up your childish potshots then keep them to yourself.
-
-
- > >[...] However, for some strange reason, disabling ARQ LAPM
- > >degraded the throughput by about 15-20%. Consequently, all test cases
- > >used ARQ/LAPM/V.42bis.
- >
- > LAP-M (the primary error correction protocol in V.42) and MNP service class 3
- > do not send start and stop bits because they are unnecessary when the data is
- > transmitted using a synchronous carrier and protected by a CRC. In theory,
- > this should boost throughput by 25%, since you're dividing the carrier speed
- > by 8 in stead of 10... however, the error correction protocol does have some
- > overhead, so the gain is less than 25%... about 19%, assuming no retransmits.
-
- This is great and it would explain the degradation. But I would like to hear the
- background from a person with more technical credibility in modems technology.
- Your unsubstantiated objections to the test disqualify you from giving any technical
- advice.
-
- >
- > >[...] However, I tried to spend some time looking
- > >into the compressing capabilities of V.42bis and compare with
- > >the DOS utilities like COMPRESS, PKZIP, or LHA. V.42bis could not
- > >match PKZIP or LHA, but it was better than COMPRESS (from Microsoft).
- >
- > Keep in mind that V.42bis has many limitations: it must be 'instant'; it must
- > run in very little ROM and RAM; it must run on a relatively feeble CPU; it
- > cannot change its mind on what it's going to do and go back.
- >
-
- I did not ask for explanations about the V.42bis compressing abilities.
- It is common for the standards to be behind the state of the art.
- And the real factors are complex and well beyond your comprehension.
-
-
- > >Some very redundant files were compressed so much that the
- > >serial port rate 115,200 bps was a bottleneck and was slowing the
- > >modem transmission considerably.
- >
- > Yep... as I've pointed out recently, for a demonstration of V.42bis'
- > effectiveness on ridiculously compressable data, lock your serial port to
- > 115200 bps, lock your carrier to 1200 bps, and send ten megabytes of nulls.
- >
-
- What is this 'comment' supposed to mean? Is it supposed to indicate
- your 'knowledge' of compression techniques. I just simply implied
- that the serial port and comm program were set up to handle much higher speeds
- than the maximum DCE-DCE throughputs I was running at. My capability to generate
- files with different degress of compressability is well above using a
- series of nulls which is probably what you are limited to.
-
-
- > >[...] All the files I tested with were
- > >1MB, i.e. the transfer times were at least 4-5 mins.
- >
- > This is very good, and very important. Also, I hope you used the _recevier's_
- > CPS rate, not the transmitter's.
- >
-
- What is important is well beyond your understanding and technical
- background. What you hope for is well beyond your abilities either?
- The file transfer started ' instantaneously' on both sides and
- completed with the last received character. The file size and
- transfer time ensured that the startup times were kept to a
- minimum.
-
-
- > >All initial connects were 33,600 on both sides. After each file
- > >transfer, the ATI6 displayed 33,600/33,600 on both sides.
- > >
- > >The real/effective throughput (again V.42bis was not able to compress)
- > > ZMODEM 31,550 bps
- > > ASCII 31,870 bps
- >
- > You mean, 3155 and 3187 CPS? That's _not_ impressive. Between two Courier
- > 33.6 modems I've seen ZedZap CPS rates in the 3800 range. They're rare, but
- > they do happen from time to time.
- >
-
- Is it the last 'insightful' comment? You kind of implied you had a higher throughput.
- Why don't you post the testing details? Or you simply base your claims on a
- 'gut feeling' or even worse .... CONNECT message. Instead of educating
- yourself, you just spend your time nitpicking and wasting everybody's time.
-
-
-
- Chris
-
-
-